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Merv at 05:57, 21 June 2009

2009-06-21T05:57:49Z

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Merv at 07:13, 15 December 2008

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Jan: /* The voyage */

2008-11-28T18:49:52Z

The voyage

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	:Maxime Petit showed himself a promising missionary. He managed to give catechism to the sailors and two of them made their first communion. He spent a lot of time with the ambassador, who told him of the lamentable state of the Church in Ecuador.<ref> Petit to Colin, 15.01.1839, APM, 1404/20033. </ref> On the one hand good and pious people, thirsting for instruction in the Faith, and longing to receive the sacraments; on the other hand a poorly educated clergy, the large majority not living the state of celibacy and especially during the carnivals misbehaving grossly. They insisted on generous stipends (Mass stipends of one piastre, i.e., 5½ francs, as compared to one franc in France), so that many people were deprived of the sacraments because they could not afford them. What Ecuador needed were good French priests, and the ambassador intended to write to Father Colin. Petit later urged Colin to give an eventual request from Ecuador serious consideration. It could also be very useful, he added, as a supporting base for the missions in the Pacific, a source of vocations and of financial support.<ref> Petit to Colin, 15.01.1839, APM 1404/20033. Petit came back on the subject on 08.01.1840. ~~LRO~~ [[Girard0048\|doc. 48]] [1].</ref>		:Maxime Petit showed himself a promising missionary. He managed to give catechism to the sailors and two of them made their first communion. He spent a lot of time with the ambassador, who told him of the lamentable state of the Church in Ecuador.<ref> Petit to Colin, 15.01.1839, APM, 1404/20033. </ref> On the one hand good and pious people, thirsting for instruction in the Faith, and longing to receive the sacraments; on the other hand a poorly educated clergy, the large majority not living the state of celibacy and especially during the carnivals misbehaving grossly. They insisted on generous stipends (Mass stipends of one piastre, i.e., 5½ francs, as compared to one franc in France), so that many people were deprived of the sacraments because they could not afford them. What Ecuador needed were good French priests, and the ambassador intended to write to Father Colin. Petit later urged Colin to give an eventual request from Ecuador serious consideration. It could also be very useful, he added, as a supporting base for the missions in the Pacific, a source of vocations and of financial support.<ref> Petit to Colin, 15.01.1839, APM 1404/20033. Petit came back on the subject on 08.01.1840. [[Girard0048\|LRO, doc. 48]] [1].</ref>

	=== Colin receives the first letters from the missions ===		=== Colin receives the first letters from the missions ===

Jan: /* Colin receives the first letters from the missions */

2008-11-28T18:46:40Z

Colin receives the first letters from the missions

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	:Colin’s talk to the community of ''la Capucinière'' contains another remark that does not ring a Colinian tone. He spoke of the need to form a local clergy in due time but, he adds; ‘there are countries, China for one, where indigenous priests do not succeed, although they are very pious’.<ref> Colin adds: because missionaries cannot be everywhere (sic!). CS, doc. 52 [5]: ''il y a des pays où les prêtres indigènes ne peuvent guère faire, par exemple en Chine, quoiqu’ils soient très pieux''. </ref> This last remarks confirms the suspicion that Colin had recently talked with somebody who had a wide knowledge of the missions of the time, but therefore the Jesuits in Lyon come to mind first.		:Colin’s talk to the community of ''la Capucinière'' contains another remark that does not ring a Colinian tone. He spoke of the need to form a local clergy in due time but, he adds; ‘there are countries, China for one, where indigenous priests do not succeed, although they are very pious’.<ref> Colin adds: because missionaries cannot be everywhere (sic!). CS, doc. 52 [5]: ''il y a des pays où les prêtres indigènes ne peuvent guère faire, par exemple en Chine, quoiqu’ils soient très pieux''. </ref> This last remarks confirms the suspicion that Colin had recently talked with somebody who had a wide knowledge of the missions of the time, but therefore the Jesuits in Lyon come to mind first.



	=== Notes ===		=== Notes ===

Jan: /* The voyage */

2008-11-28T18:44:14Z

The voyage

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	:Maxime Petit showed himself a promising missionary. He managed to give catechism to the sailors and two of them made their first communion. He spent a lot of time with the ambassador, who told him of the lamentable state of the Church in Ecuador.<ref> Petit to Colin, 15.01.1839, APM, 1404/20033. </ref> On the one hand good and pious people, thirsting for instruction in the Faith, and longing to receive the sacraments; on the other hand a poorly educated clergy, the large majority not living the state of celibacy and especially during the carnivals misbehaving grossly. They insisted on generous stipends (Mass stipends of one ~~piaster~~, as compared to one franc in France), so that many people were deprived of the sacraments because they could not afford them.~~<ref> The piastre was worth about 5½ francs. </ref>~~ What Ecuador needed were good French priests, and the ambassador intended to write to Father Colin. Petit later urged Colin to give an eventual request from Ecuador serious consideration. It could also be very useful, he added, as a supporting base for the missions in the Pacific, a source of vocations and of financial support.		:Maxime Petit showed himself a promising missionary. He managed to give catechism to the sailors and two of them made their first communion. He spent a lot of time with the ambassador, who told him of the lamentable state of the Church in Ecuador.<ref> Petit to Colin, 15.01.1839, APM, 1404/20033. </ref> On the one hand good and pious people, thirsting for instruction in the Faith, and longing to receive the sacraments; on the other hand a poorly educated clergy, the large majority not living the state of celibacy and especially during the carnivals misbehaving grossly. They insisted on generous stipends (Mass stipends of one piastre, i.e., 5½ francs, as compared to one franc in France), so that many people were deprived of the sacraments because they could not afford them. What Ecuador needed were good French priests, and the ambassador intended to write to Father Colin. Petit later urged Colin to give an eventual request from Ecuador serious consideration. It could also be very useful, he added, as a supporting base for the missions in the Pacific, a source of vocations and of financial support.<ref> Petit to Colin, 15.01.1839, APM 1404/20033. Petit came back on the subject on 08.01.1840. LRO [[Girard0048\|doc. 48]] [1].</ref>

	=== Colin receives the first letters from the missions ===		=== Colin receives the first letters from the missions ===

Merv at 02:59, 20 September 2008

2008-09-20T02:59:13Z

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Merv: /* Notes */

2008-04-13T09:52:33Z

Notes

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Merv at 23:20, 12 February 2008

2008-02-12T23:20:47Z

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Merv: Protected "APAC90" [edit=sysop:move=sysop]

2008-01-17T01:03:17Z

Protected "APAC90" [edit=sysop:move=sysop]

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Merv at 03:39, 14 January 2008

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	:On the latitude of the Falkland Islands they had some very fierce storms, with huge waves that threatened to swamp the ship and got into the cabins so they had to bail them out. Épalle quoted the psalm ''Though I should walk in the midst of the shadow of death, I will fear no evils, for Thou art with me''<ref> Ps. 22, 4. </ref>, and assured Colin later that he slept soundly through the bad nights. When they got to the feared Cape of Horn, not only did they happily sail along in fine quiet weather, it did not even get really cold. Experienced sailors had never seen the like of it, and the ''Basque'' could sail close enough to the land for the passengers to see the mountains of the Cape.<ref> Br. Élie-Régis to Champagnat, 12.01.1839, LO, Clisby009 [5]. </ref>		:On the latitude of the Falkland Islands they had some very fierce storms, with huge waves that threatened to swamp the ship and got into the cabins so they had to bail them out. Épalle quoted the psalm ''Though I should walk in the midst of the shadow of death, I will fear no evils, for Thou art with me''<ref> Ps. 22, 4. </ref>, and assured Colin later that he slept soundly through the bad nights. When they got to the feared Cape of Horn, not only did they happily sail along in fine quiet weather, it did not even get really cold. Experienced sailors had never seen the like of it, and the ''Basque'' could sail close enough to the land for the passengers to see the mountains of the Cape.<ref> Br. Élie-Régis to Champagnat, 12.01.1839, LO, [[Clisby009]] [5]. </ref>